Forwarded from: KA8Z Packet Radio BBS - 145.09 MHz FM - Canton, Ohio MSG # TR SIZE TO FROM @BBS DATE TITLE 57349 B# 3286 RELI KB8VSY ALLOH 950507 RE: Christ, God, Trinity Forwarding path: WB8BII WA8WNI WA8GUG N8GTC N8OXH From: KB8VSY@N8OXH.#CIN.OH.USA.NA To : RELI@ALLOH From : KB8RIQ I can not understand how Christians say that Jesus Christ is God. Even the Bible saays that he was the SON of God. Not God, but his SON. God exist for millenia before the birth of Christ to Mary. This too is shown in the Bible through interactions between God and Abraham, Job, Adam and Eve, David, Soloman, and many other Old Testement figures. Therefore, how can one say that Jesus and God are one and he same? Mike, KB8RIQ Hello Mike, I seldom read much of the religon topics, and have never responded to one. However your post was somehow different. Niether the ravings of a zealot, nor the ramblings of those who deny the validity of religon. I think perhaps it was different because it was a question, not a statement. My religon teaches that some things pretaining to God and such are simply beyond the ability of human comprehension. However, we do not hide behind that simple concept and say "it's so, it just is, so there". Some of the theologians of my religon teach that, your question about what we call the trinity (there is a third entity involved), can be somewhat understood by the following: Love is exceedingly powerful God created us. (let others argue about time tables) God Loves us. God loves in a perfect way. That perfect love, is so "real" that it became or always was Christ Christ is the expression of Gods love for people. Both Christ and God are capable of perfect love. The love between the creator, or God and the son, or Christ was so powerful, that it results in another manifestation of Divienity, that is the Holy Spirit. Our religon calls this the trinity. We believe in one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We call this a mystery, we think it is beyond human understanding. It is one of the things that we must accept on faith alone. However, I have often wondered: If the above is all true, and we are created in the image of God, could not reproduction have be designed as an imperfect reflection of the trinity? That is the creation of life out of love. I don't know if that is theologicly sound or not. But I kinda like it. Oh, your last question, one and the same, they are not, they are different. Both are God, However both are not gods. They are not one and the same, they are one and different. Such matters are perhaps odd things to be discussed via packet radio. Very different from creation/evolution. BTW: I believe very strongly in both! I find it astonishing that people argue the issue. They can not see that they both correct. Question, ask, probe, keep your mind open, ask for quidence from "out there", I assure you, you are created such that you will find the answers. or at least as much as an organic brain can comprehend. John kb8vsy @ n8oxh *** END OF MSG # 57349 from KB8VSY @ N8OXH.#CIN.OH.USA.NA Forwarded from: KA8Z Packet Radio BBS - 145.09 MHz FM - Canton, Ohio MSG # TR SIZE TO FROM @BBS DATE TITLE 57281 B# 2478 RELI WA2AJQ ALLUS 950507 Christ is NOT God Forwarding path: KA8AHF WB8BII KA6EYH W3IXR W3IXR K3MJW KA3RWP KC3ET WA3IOU N8YIB WB4D >>I can not understand how Christians say that Jesus Christ is God. Even the >>Bible saays that he was the SON of God. Not God, but his SON. God exist for >>millenia before the birth of Christ to Mary. This too is shown in the Bible >>through interactions between God and Abraham, Job, Adam and Eve, David, >>Soloman, and many other Old Testement figures. >>Therefore, how can one say that Jesus and God are one and he same? >>Mike, KB8RIQ Hi Mike, I saw your message. See the answer to your question, and you referencing the bible. I am not a church goer. Have not been in one for 15 years. The answer is GOD IS CHRIST. Christians believe in the Trinity (especially Catholic Christians ((got kicked out of there))) It's like you being Mike, KB8RIQ or Mister So-n-so. 3 different but one in the same. Adams and Abraham's god, as time progressed, was Christ. Continues as the Holy Ghost...I understand he works in mysterous ways......like me answering you on packet. So If I can BELIEVE your Mike and your KB8RIQ, and mind you, KB8RIQ is this mysterious voice I hear from a box on my desk. (like a voice from a burning bush!) Then I can know KB8RIQ, without knowing Mike. If I saw Mike on the street today, I'd pass him by without a greeting of an old friend and Fraternal brother in Ham Radio. I have Faith in you, I have Faith ham radio and Faith in God. If at one time it is God the Father, or Jesus Christ or both at the same time (could be MEMOREX) I'm perfectly happy with that. Which brings me to ALLAH BUDA and others, I think that's gods call when he's DX................. 73's De Larry (former alter boy) WA2AJQ Bluemont, Va. *** END OF MSG # 57281 from WA2AJQ @ WB4D.VA.USA.NA