CELTIC WORKSHOP 2 This is the second Celtic Workshop. We covered Pathworking using Fionn's Wheel and how Druids did Magick. (O'Dubhain - 28 Feb 1994) *SYSTEM* | Switching to Workshop/Seminar 1 Freepowder | heloooooo O'Dubhain | Hi! | Looks like just you and me! Freepowder | how many are we? O'Dubhain | Hi Tammy! Tammy | Hi!!! | I got my old man to give me 15 minutes. How generous! Freepowder | BRB, Hi tammy! Jee-ah guitch O'Dubhain | What a nice guy! | Ban jeeah Gwitch! Tammy | Sorry I won't be able to stay for the whole thing. O'Dubhain | heheheheeh! | That's ok you can download it later Nan | 'lo everyone O'Dubhain | Lo Nan! Sue Thornburg | Hello!!!!!!!!! Falcon | Hi All Freepowder | it's obvious that the Celts had a sense of humor, look at their spelling HI nan, Hi falc Sue Thornburg | FP> HAHAHAHA O'Dubhain | Hi Falcon! Hugs Sue Sue Thornburg | Will this be a formal CO, Odie? Falcon | Hi O'D O'Dubhain | Sue>It's semiformal! Freepowder | hi sue, the word for the day is *maismic* Wren | Hi, guys O'Dubhain | It's a workshop! Freepowder | hi wren Nan | maismic? Falcon | Sue Thornburg | Oooh, good, I'm wearing half of my tux. O'Dubhain | Hi wren Falcon | Hi Wren O'Dubhain | Lo Eric Let's get cranking folks Eric | LO OD Falcon | What is a workshop?? Freepowder | I'll be good, O'd, promise O'Dubhain | A Workshop is another word for a CO But since its a WOrkshop it's supposed to be hardere! Eric | and maismic?? O'Dubhain | ANYway Falcon | *maismic* O'Dubhain | The way this works to date is I talk about some subjects and we discuss them | then we maybe come up with some new ideas Sue Thornburg | Sounds terrific. :) O'Dubhain | It runs like a formal CO to begin Just put in a ? or a ! Fred McCandless | so toss out an idea O'Dubhain | If you have a comment or a question | OK | First last week | We talked about Druids Oghams and Divination. Fred McCandless | ? O'Dubhain | I placed a bunch of files in the library 16 to be used in the workshop. ok Fred>GA Fred McCandless | si O'Dubhain | Fred> Got a question? Wren | He's gone, O'd O'Dubhain | anyway the way it works is just like that! ok The files give you background on what we discuss. So the first question I would ask is.... Jehana Silverwing | hi odubh. O'Dubhain | Why are we studying these subjects? | Hi Jehana! | I mean what are we going to get out of this | study? Nan | cause we like to waste $$ on CI$? O'Dubhain | ANyone want to volunteer an opinion? Falcon | ! O'Dubhain | Falcon>ga Falcon | I study things because they are there and I feel I should learn as much as I can Nan | ! O'Dubhain | Me too Falcon! | Nan>ga Nan | on a more serious note....I'm interested in learning about them because they are part of my heritage and the heritage of those around me O'Dubhain | That's a reason I study them too Nan. When I asked myself these questions I came up with some answers. Why study Oghams? The answer was because the Druids used them in Magick. David Pfeiffer | To add more to that Nan, being new here, I'd like to learn more about the history of the natural beliefs because they may be the only saving grace of this planet. O'Dubhain | They are symbols of Magick. David> That's a good one too. David Pfeiffer | Sorry to interrupt. O'Dubhain | The reason I study Magick is just that that's ok I study Magick of the Earth and of people and of the SPirit to find the keys to who I am How we relate to each other and to the Planet Jehana | i agree with david. O'Dubhain | This is a time that we are all coming together to save ourselves and our Planet The ancient Wisdom shows us a Way to do this Jehana O'Dubhain | We must look within for the Power of self-awareness For growth and harmony. The Oghams are the roadsigns on the Ways to this Wisdom David Pfeiffer | But the whole idea is not for ourselves. We are just as important as individuals as a leaf is to a tree. One leaf only holds so the tree may live. O'Dubhain | One map of this inner journey is Fionn's Wheel. Right again David. But we must start with ourselves. To have a tree one must have leaves. and branches and a trunk and roots as well as Life. It's all got to work together. The purpose of this workshop tonight is to determine the way that Fionn's Wheel shows us how to "Pathwork" to knowledge of ourselves. Nan | ? O'Dubhain | To show how Druids did this Yes Nan Nan | i think i know what you mean by "pathwork" but could you please give a brief definition so that i know we're thinking the same O'Dubhain | OK. Pathworking is basically an inner journey to discover Truths within ourselves Falcon | ? Nan | thanks O'Dubhain | It allows us to tap a "Higher" wisdom To know our totems and our Spirit guides. Yes Falcon ga. Falcon | What is Finion's Wheel? O'Dubhain | Fionn's Wheel is a representation of the Oghams laid out in Circles around a center. Like a Native American Medicine Wheel. It is pretty much the same thing for shamanistic purposes I uploaded a GIF of it into Lib 16 as FIONNW.GIF Falcon | thanks O'Dubhain | On it are the Ogham symbols for our journey. Wren | ? O'Dubhain | Each symbol represents an ability or a knowledge to be gained or understood, Wren ga Wren | Is there a book with the diagram? I can't see GIF's O'Dubhain | It's in the following books: "The Book of Ogham" by Edred Thorsson, "The Celtic Shaman" by John Matthews Jehana | will capture the gif. O'Dubhain | "The Book of Ballymote" by a 7th century Culddean Druid, Jehana also in Religion lib. Jehana | okay, odubh. Beth Campbell | send 2 what's Palyne? Is this a formal co? O'Dubhain | yes Beth? The way Druids worked Magick was by "becoming" or by actually changing reality A classic example of this is The Song of Amergin the Druid who aided the Gaels in defeating the Tuatha de Danaans. I quote from his song: | "I am the wind which breathes upon the sea. | I am the wave of the ocean. | I am the murmur of the billows. | I am the ox of the seven combats. | I am the vulture upon the rocks. | I am a beam of the Sun. | I am the fairest of plants. | I am a wild boar in valour. | I am a salmon in the water. | I am a lake in the plain. | I am a word of science. | I am a point of a lance in battle. | I am the God who created in the head the fire. | Who is it who throws light into the meeting | in the mountain? | Who announces the ages of the Moon? | Who teaches the place where couches the Sun? | If not I? Jehana | I think this song is a teaching ballad. O'Dubhain | I invoke the land of Ireland!" Jehana | by the way, whose translation is this? O'Dubhain | Yes it teaches and it invokes the power of the Land. This was the translation by Douglas Hyde. Jehana | okay, just simply because it is slightly different than the one i remembr. O'Dubhain | This Spell was used by the Druid to overcome the winds raised by the de Danaans in their battle for the Land. It is an example of the way a Druid would work. There are other tales of shamanistic workings by Druids Freepowder | ? O'Dubhain | Among these is "How the Tain was Recovered" Yes FP? Freepowder | you spoke of becoming, is Amergin actually becoming... those things or, has he been in the past? Nan | or is it a metaphor? O'Dubhain | He is actually synchronizing himself with the spirit that controls these items. It is a series of symbols. It can be viewed metaphorically. But the fact is it got results. The wind died and the Gaels landed on Ireland. Freepowder | ok GA O'Dubhain | Present day shamans do the same thing. The story of the Tain was lost and had to be recovered. It had been written in Oghams on sticks and sent to Italy. None of the bards had a memory of the entire story, so they sent two men to recover the Oghams, Senchan and Muirgen. No one knew where to look for these Ogham sticks. So Muirgen decided to ask Fergus mac Roich (only one problem---Fergus was dead) So Muirgen slept on his grave and invoked the ghost of Fergus to reveal the entire story. The Spirit of Fergus appeared in a cloud and for three days recited the entire epic. Muirgen was able to go back to the Bards and tell the entire tale. This tale was written down and we have it today. This is an example of dream traveling to discover hidden knowledge Artemisia | ? O'Dubhain | yes Artemisia? Artemisia | sorry...computer fart O'Dubhain | hahahaha! ok Jehana | Sue Thornburg | Freepowder | O'Dubhain | mine was getting constipated! Freepowder | *maismic* Jehana | LTB? lettuce, tomato and bacon? O'Dubhain | haha! Nan | lol O'Dubhain | gotta be! Anyway the point is Druids did Magick in a lot of ways that has to be discovered again from studying these tales. Native Americans pass this kind of knowledge down from teacher to student. We are not so lucky. We have to dig it out of books and figure out the symbolisms! Sue Thornburg | Unless we have an O'Dubh and a computer. :) Artemisia | :-) O'Dubhain | But not for speed typing!- or typos!:(To take a Journey on Fionn's Wheel, I suggest One study the Paths as outlined in Workshop #1 in Library 16 here as CLTWS1.TXT. Beth Campbell | Does this mean ... those who don't respect the past are doomed to repeat it? Jehana | only if it was a "bad" past . Freepowder | *maismic* Sue Thornburg | O'Dubhain | I think we all get our turn in the "barrel"! Jehana | sorry. O'Dubhain | The first Path according to my inner vision Beth Campbell | wrong choice of words (sorry) (must be mercury) going to repeat it O'Dubhain | and as based upon the Oghams in Nigel Pennicks "Magical Alphabets" is the Way of Protection. This Way has the Oghams B L F S N on it from the outside to the center. Each Ogham on this Path teaches us a Magickal ability. The first Ogham B stands for the tree Birch--The White Tree of Purity and Purification. Jehana | B is birch in the norse runes, too. O'Dubhain | It is used to protect and Purify us before we start our journey within. It was the first Ogham ever used. It warned Lugh that his wife was going to be abducted to the Underworld and it will serve to show us that we are protected. Life springs anew. To make such a journey one should meditate and cleanse oneself of all unclean and impure thoughts. Beth Campbell | (sounds like Eve and the Apple) O'Dubhain | Native Americans might do this in a "sweat lodge". more of a putting away of the mundane bagage of life. baggage that is ! Make an Out of Body (OOBE) type of Journey to a White tree shining against a totally Black Darkness. Use its image to purge your mind of distracting thoughts and go to the next level ---The Tree of Life. Upon this tree one learns to shield unwanted psychic energies and Magicks. This Ogham is "L" for Rowan. When one is floating in an OOBE one needs such shielding to travel safely. Freepowder | ? O'Dubhain | The next symbol in our journey is --"The Red Man". FP ga Freepowder | sould it be too long to cover their protection in a bit more detail? O'Dubhain | It would take an entire workshop. Freepowder | thought so, GA Artemisia | :-) O'Dubhain | I'll cover this with a post on the Section 15 message board. Nan | 15 or 16? O'Dubhain | The Red Man or the Fear Dearg is a Supernatural being Jehana | how about a library file? O'Dubhain | that is a fire entity. That too Jehana! He sometimes will rescue us from the Other forces of the Underworld. His Ogham is the Alder Tree. Fp ga Freepowder | the whistle tree! O'Dubhain | Ah! Perhaps the whistle will lead us from the Underworld!? Fea'dog | it does me! O'Dubhain | Red is the color of life and frees us from conflicts and shields us in our lives. Once we are pure and can shield and have no inner conflicts, it is time to learn of Magick itself! The next step or Ogham is The Moon. It is the letter "S" for the White Willow. This is a form of the Goddess and leads us in Divinations to guide our future travels on the Wheel. The last or inner Ogham on this path is "N". It represents the Keys to inner Knowledge that we have gained. It is the Black Ash. Rachel | hello O'Dubhain | It also gives us the insight "as Above so Below". Jehana | hello. Rachel | what is the subject? O'Dubhain | All our previous insights will aid us in the physical and the astral worlds. Rachel, this is a Workshop on Celtic Magick. These keys and knowledge must grow like seeds within us. In the future, they allow us to work our Power, the Earth's Power and the Power of the Spirit. This completes the Way of Protection. I suggest that each of you try such a journey on your own, in a Circle or Safe quiet place. Learn the symbols for the Oghams from the tables in the library (there are about 7 there I think). Shamanistic journeys are very individualized. Use symbols that have meaning to You. To complete the journey around Fionns Wheel would cover the entire year and the Major festivals. Nan | is that the next workshop, the festivals? O'Dubhain | Really project yourselves into the Wheel and you will find your own inner guide and Truth. Beth Campbell | (sorry) O'Dubhain | Nan>I think that'd be a good one The Major festivals are Imbolc Beltane Lughnasadh Samhain The Solstices and the Equinoxes Each of these can be found on the Wheel. I hope that I wasn't too sketchy on this! Nan | this medium is a bit slow and time consuming to cover this kind of stuff O'Dubhain | I know my typing can stand improvement. Artemisia | You were very good... but I don't think I'm ever going to get this. O'Dubhain | John Matthews covers shamanism fully in his Book Nan | can you pre-type any and use cut and paste, that might help O'Dubhain | "Celtic Shamanism". I could but then we lose spontaneity and dialogue. Nan | we could still be spontaneous in the discussion, but the information portion we're all being quiet anyway O'Dubhain | Hey! Ok! Next time lends itself to uploading on the festivals. I would like you each to consider making a shamanistic journey and messaging me about it. Pietra | ? O'Dubhain | You might be surprised about what you find. Pietra ga Rachel | I have a ? Pietra | Is this in part where the Masonic orders "get their symbolism? I noticed a lot of simularities O'Dubhain | Not sure. Not a Mason, but I wouldn't be surprised. I'll ask around. Falcon | ? O'Dubhain | Rachel ga ok Falcon ga Falcon | What is a Mason? O'Dubhain | Any answers from the group? Artemisia | I know a little Pietra | ! O'Dubhain | fire away Artemisia | My papa was a shriner, very similar They seem to be exclusive mens orders Maire | H'lo, O'Dub, et all. Just peeking in to see the conversation. Artemisia | the women are part of the outer circle Pietra | Freemansonry dates itself to the time of the pharohs O'Dubhain | Maire>just about done here Artemisia | The masons did a consecration of a washington d.c. monunment Beth Campbell | The masons were the brick layers Artemisia | and used the earth-air-fire-water symbols as part of consecrating the cornerstone Maire | O'Dub> thx. Still monitoring tho. Might see something interesting Nan | isn't there a Masonic forum or section somewhere, maybe in religion? Pietra | and even before According to them the square and compass (symbols of Freemansonry) stand for the masons who built the pyramids O'Dubhain | Haven't seen one. George Washington was a Mason. Nan | are we finished for the night, it's past my bedtime O'Dubhain | And the Pyramid with the Eye on it on the Great Seal of the US is a Masonic Symbol. Pietra | They are a one God belief but have lots of cabalistic degrees Artemisia | rilly? O'Dubhain | I declare the Workshop over for the night! Beth Campbell | The Masons erected a monument to GW in Alexandria VA Nan | look for it on the dollar bill artemisia O'Dubhain | Let the games begin! Artemisia | I know it's there...just didn't know it was masonic Nan | thanks O'D' i didn't wanna leave and miss anything :) bye all, see ya next week Artemisia | night, nan O'Dubhain | It'll be in the library 16 as CLTWS2.TXT Mark A. Foster | Did I just miss a conference? Artemisia | hehehehe O'Dubhain | Just finished Mark. Falcon | Night Nan Mark A. Foster | On what? Maire | G'night, Nan O'Dubhain | But we're doing another next week at 10 PM EST Pietra | They have associated groups for women and adolescents. O'Dubhain | It was on Druid Magick. Mark A. Foster | What subject? Beth Campbell | Folks are old if more than twice your age. Mark A. Foster | Druid magic. Sounds interesting. Pietra | Falcom>> Are you confused Yet? O'Dubhain | I think so! Mark A. Foster | I didn't see an announcement. Artemisia | , beth O'Dubhain | It's in the Flash! check it out. Mark A. Foster | Oh, ok. Where is that? O'Dubhain | We'll be here everyweek on Mondays at 10PM Mark A. Foster | Under "special"? Falcon | Pietra>I will always be confused Artemisia | gosh...I can feel my visa floating away! O'Dubhain | MArk>Are you running WinCim? Mark A. Foster | 10pm Eastern? DOSCIM O'Dubhain | yep EST look under Special and Notices Mark A. Foster | Okay. Pietra | O'dubh>. yes is forum group -- but the info you get there O'Dubhain | Should be a news Flash there Pietra | will not tell you about "secret work" which is the real purpose of FreeMansonry Mark A. Foster | I just saw it. Never knew that was there. O'Dubhain | Ta failte romhat! Mark A. Foster | Nite, y'all. O'Dubhain | Nite Mark Slan leat! Artemisia | Yes, and membership is very exclusive...- even used to be limited by color and financial status Falcon | Bye Mark O'Dubhain | Pietra>I plan to find out Falcon | bye all O'Dubhain | I have my ways you see! Pietra | Still is O'Dubhain | Bye Falcon!! Thanks for coming! Artemisia | yeah, i figured...just didn't wanna speculate O'Dubhain | Artemisia>How did the healing go? Pietra | am Member of Eastern Star and Dad is 33rd degree (the highest) Artemisia | great! very powerful O'Dubhain | Great!!! Artemisia | Thanks for all the encouragement! O'Dubhain | I was pumping the energy your way! Artemisia | Thanks! I knew I could feel a little ooomph! O'Dubhain | Pietra>Show your dad the tables and get his thoughts please!:) Artemisia> Glad I could ooomph ya! Artemisia | hehehehehe Pietra | I would if we were on speaking terms however I have the book O'Dubhain | Pietra>Good enough. Maybe some Druids hiding in there!? Artemisia | I wouldn't doubt it! Pietra | They would say so Artemisia | it seems like they take from several traditions O'Dubhain | Some of these societies formed about the same time as a rebirth of interest in the occult and Druids. Pietra | It is interesting that along with some of the rest of us the inquisistion tortured and put to death all Masons they could find. O'Dubhain | Might have members in both paths. Artemisia | hmmmm Pietra | they certainly do --I am one O'Dubhain | Sounds like they were intent on eliminating anyone that thought for themselves. Might have to talk to my uncles about this. They are Masons. But those guys are very secretive ! Just like Druids! Pietra | Oh good Artemisia | Yes, they are O'Dubhain | Anyway, Thanks to all! Artemisia | Thanks to YOU! O'Dubhain | Gotta sleep and catch a plane! Pietra | bye y'all O'Dubhain | See you all tommorrow! Hugs all around! Artemisia | tomorrow? O'Dubhain | bye sure! Beth Campbell | Nite O'Dubh! O'Dubhain | just for chitchat! Artemisia | Oh. O'Dubhain | nite Beth Hugs Artemisia | night, O'D night, everyone Maire | Night, O'Dub. Happy landings, and hope your stewardess brings you lots of complimentary drinks O'Dubhain | Thanks bye all!